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Bewijs censuur wikileaks!!
nn - 10.12.2010 17:41
Bewijs censuur wikileaks!!
Gevoelige documenten afkomstig van de Amerikaanse ambassade in Marokko die op 4-12-09 gepubliceerd waren op wikileaks die betrekking hadden op oorlogsmisdadiger Moussa Dadis Camara zijn weggehaald en vervolgens gisteren 9-12-10 weer verschenen maar dan met het anoniem maken van namen.
Waarom is dit gebeurd en waarom vind er achteraf censuur plaats op wikileaks??
Zie hier het bewijs:
Dictator Moussa Dadis Camara
Soldaten van Dadis Camara hebben op 28-09-09 ruim 150 burgers afgeslacht
Bewijs:
Hier is de orginele versie die oorspronkelijk gepubliceerd was op wikileaks op 4-12-10.
Orginele document:
Full Document
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DE RUEHRB #1018/01 3651455
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FM AMEMBASSY RABAT
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 1009
INFO RUEHRY/AMEMBASSY CONAKRY IMMEDIATE 0013
RUEHOU/AMEMBASSY OUAGADOUGOU IMMEDIATE 0593
RUEHDS/USMISSION ADDIS ABABA IMMEDIATE
RUCNDT/USMISSION USUN NEW YORK IMMEDIATE 0987
RUCNMGH/MAGHREB COLLECTIVE PRIORITY
RUEHAB/AMEMBASSY ABIDJAN PRIORITY 0081
RUEHUJA/AMEMBASSY ABUJA PRIORITY 0101
RUEHAR/AMEMBASSY ACCRA PRIORITY 0198
RUEHBP/AMEMBASSY BAMAKO PRIORITY 0133
RUEHJL/AMEMBASSY BANJUL PRIORITY 0105
RUEHCO/AMEMBASSY COTONOU PRIORITY 0059
RUEHDK/AMEMBASSY DAKAR PRIORITY 0518
RUEHFN/AMEMBASSY FREETOWN PRIORITY 0038
RUEHPC/AMEMBASSY LOME PRIORITY 0566
RUEHMV/AMEMBASSY MONROVIA PRIORITY 0572
RUEHNM/AMEMBASSY NIAMEY PRIORITY 1181
RUEHTRO/AMEMBASSY TRIPOLI PRIORITY 0454
RUEHOS/AMCONSUL LAGOS PRIORITY 0055
Content
S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 RABAT 001018
SIPDIS
NOFORN
STATE FOR AF, AF/W, NEA, NEA/MAG, AND INR/AA
E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/01/2020
TAGS: PINS, PGOV, PREL, PINR, GV, MO
SUBJECT: GUINEA LATEST: DADIS AND BEYOND?
REF: A. RABAT 1009
B. RABAT 0988
RABAT 00001018 001.2 OF 002
Classified By: DCM Robert P. Jackson for reasons 1.4(b) and (d).
1. (S/NF) Summary: Guinean DCM Fode Camara (strictly protect; no relation to Dadis Camara) told PolOffs on December 30 that despite Dadis Camara's apparent desire to
depart Morocco (Ref A), he is in no condition to travel and will not be able to resume control of the country. Minister of National Defense Sekouba Konate and an assistant, Mr. Bah,
along with Minister of Communications Idrissa Cherif have been in Rabat to visit Dadis, but Konate planned to return to Guinea by December 31, possibly to present to the Guinean
people a case for his assumption of power in place of Dadis.
The next ten days would be telling and potentially chaotic for the country, according to Fode Camara, but with the assistance of the international community, Konate should be
able to control the army and avert violence that could have regional implications. End Summary.
2. (S/NF) Guinean DCM Fode Camara told PolOffs on December 30 that Dadis Camara was in no condition to travel and would not be able to control Guinea again. Fode said that Dadis
Camara still had a bullet in his head, suffered from impaired vision and speech, and was not fully aware of his surroundings. Fode Camara himself admitted that he had not seen Dadis; according to him only Konate and Bah were allowed into his room. Regarding earlier news reports that Dadis was preparing to speak to the Guinean people, Fode Camara said
that if Dadis could speak to the media, he certainly would have by now. Evidently Dadis also suffered from heart problems unrelated to the gunshot wounds.
3. (S/NF) Konate evidently was not in the best of health, either, and sought medical consultation while here in Rabat.
Reportedly a heavy drinker, Konate suffered from liver problems consistent with his intake of large amounts of alcohol. On December 30, senior Moroccan military officials separately questioned Konate's fitness to lead, calling him weak.
4. (S/NF) For Fode Camara, Konate's travel to Rabat allowed him to return to Guinea and report on the basis of his first-hand knowledge that Dadis was unable to continue in his
role as leader of Guinea, paving the way for Konate to assume power for a transitional period. Were Konate to attempt to take control without having undertaken the trip to Rabat to see Dadis, he would have been perceived as a traitor to Dadis and have no legitimacy before the Guinean people and army.
Konate would then have Cherif and Claude Pivi, another CNDD leader, arrested, Fode Camara said.
5. (S/NF) Fode Camara went on to say that Cherif was behind demonstrations being planned for Conakry, while Pivi, who was from the same ethnic group as Dadis, might organize supporters on an ethnic basis and incite clashes with other groups. Given that ethnic and national boundaries are not coterminous, this could affect neighboring countries and
plunge the entire region into chaos (Ref B), asserted Fode Camara. With the help of the United States and European countries, Konate would be able to take power and control the
army, which lacked discipline and had too many crooks and militias, but Fode Camara did not specify what sort of assistance from the international community would be
necessary.
6. (S/NF) Comment: Fode Camara urged intervention, both to keep Dadis out of Guinea and to support an effort by Konate to take power in the country, in order to forestall
devastating ethnic violence. His argument that Dadis would RABAT 00001018 002.2 OF 002
have made a public statement by now if he could have is compelling, while his comment that Konate would have other CNDD leaders arrested suggests that the fate of Guinea does
not depend on Dadis alone. Dadis has amassed militias and enjoys some popular support (Ref B), and for Fode his return would undoubtedly lead to violence and unrest. His continued
absence, however, might not preclude it. End Comment.
7. (U) Tripoli minimize considered.
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Visit Embassy Rabat's Classified Website;
 http://www.intelink.sgov.gov/wiki/Portal:Moro cco
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KAPLAN
En hier de gecensureerde versie die na het weghalen van de eerder documenten gisteren verscheen op wikileaks.
S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 RABAT 001018
SIPDIS
NOFORN
STATE FOR AF, AF/W, NEA, NEA/MAG, AND INR/AA
E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/01/2020
TAGS: PINS PGOV PREL PINR GV MO
SUBJECT: GUINEA LATEST: DADIS AND BEYOND?
REF: A. RABAT 1009
¶B. RABAT 0988
RABAT 00001018 001.2 OF 002
Classified By: DCM Robert P. Jackson for reasons 1.4(b) and (d).
¶1. (S/NF) Summary: XXXXXXXXXXXX told PolOffs on
December 30 that despite Dadis Camara's apparent desire to
depart Morocco (Ref A), he is in no condition to travel and
will not be able to resume control of the country. Minister
of National Defense Sekouba Konate and an assistant, Mr. Bah,
along with Minister of Communications Idrissa Cherif have
been in Rabat to visit Dadis, but Konate planned to return to
Guinea by December 31, possibly to present to the Guinean
people a case for his assumption of power in place of Dadis.
The next ten days would be telling and potentially chaotic
for the country, according to XXXXXXXXXXXX, but with the
assistance of the international community, Konate should be
able to control the army and avert violence that could have
regional implications. End Summary.
¶2. (S/NF) XXXXXXXXXXXX told PolOffs on December
30 that Dadis Camara was in no condition to travel and would
not be able to control Guinea again. XXXXXXXXXXXX said
that Dadis Camara still had a bullet in his head, suffered from impaired
vision and speech, and was not fully aware of his
surroundings. XXXXXXXXXXXX admitted that he had not
seen Dadis; according to him only Konate and Bah were allowed
into his room. Regarding earlier news reports that Dadis was
preparing to speak to the Guinean people, XXXXXXXXXXXX
said that if Dadis could speak to the media, he certainly would
have by now. Evidently Dadis also suffered from heart
problems unrelated to the gunshot wounds.
¶3. (S/NF) Konate evidently was not in the best of health,
either, and sought medical consultation while here in Rabat.
Reportedly a heavy drinker, Konate suffered from liver
problems consistent with his intake of large amounts of
alcohol. On December 30, senior Moroccan military officials
separately questioned Konate's fitness to lead, calling him
weak.
¶4. (S/NF) For XXXXXXXXXXXX, Konate's travel to Rabat allowed him to return to Guinea and report on the basis of his first-hand knowledge that Dadis was unable to continue in his role as leader of Guinea, paving the way for Konate to assume power for a transitional period. Were Konate to attempt to take control without having undertaken the trip to Rabat to see Dadis, he would have been perceived as a traitor to Dadis and have no legitimacy before the Guinean people and army. Konate would then have Cherif and Claude Pivi, another CNDD leader, arrested, XXXXXXXXXXXX said.
¶5. (S/NF) XXXXXXXXXXXX went on to say that Cherif
was behind demonstrations being planned for Conakry,
while Pivi, who was from the same ethnic group as Dadis,
might organize supporters on an ethnic basis and incite
clashes with other groups. Given that ethnic and national
boundaries are not coterminous, this could affect neighboring
countries and plunge the entire region into chaos (Ref B),
asserted XXXXXXXXXXXX. With the help of the United States
and European countries, Konate would be able to take power
and control the army, which lacked discipline and had too many
crooks and militias, but XXXXXXXXXXXX did not specify what sort of
assistance from the international community would be
necessary.
¶6. (S/NF) Comment: XXXXXXXXXXXX urged intervention, both to
keep Dadis out of Guinea and to support an effort by Konate
to take power in the country, in order to forestall
devastating ethnic violence. His argument that Dadis would
RABAT 00001018 002.2 OF 002
have made a public statement by now if he could have is
compelling, while his comment that Konate would have other
CNDD leaders arrested suggests that the fate of Guinea does
not depend on Dadis alone. Dadis has amassed militias and
enjoys some popular support (Ref B), and for XXXXXXXXXXXX
his return would undoubtedly lead to violence and unrest.
His continued absence, however, might not preclude it.
End Comment.
¶7. (U) Tripoli minimize considered.
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Visit Embassy Rabat's Classified Website;
http://www.intelink.sgov.gov/wiki/Portal:Moro cco
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KAPLAN
Zit Marokko hier achter!!!
Waarom vind er achteraf censuur plaats op wikileaks???
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| Lees meer over: antimilitarisme media vrijheid, repressie & mensenrechten | | aanvullingen | | - | - - 10.12.2010 17:50
Wikileaks censureert niet, ze redigeert.
Namen van bronnen worden weggehaald om ze te beschermen.
In dit specifieke geval dus kennelijk achteraf; dit is waarschijnlijk een foutje, het had voor publicatie moeten plaatsvinden.
Dit redigeren kost tijd en dat is ook waarom we nog maar een zeer klein deel van de 250000 documenten van cablegate hebben gezien.
| | goed werk!!!! | Chomsky - 10.12.2010 17:52
Goed werk laten we als burger journalisten en alternatieve media waakzaam blijven en alle originele documenten opslaan.
De mirrors zijn dus ook niet te vertrouwen. Heeft Indymedia orginele backup bestanden van tot nu toe alle uitgebrachte documenten??
| | niet eenmalig | nn - 10.12.2010 17:59
Het is niet eenmalig geweest.
'Als je A zegt, moet je ook B zeggen.' Achteraf redigeren komt een beetje vreemd over nu er van allerlei overheden de druk op wikileaks wordt opgevoerd!!!
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| | We moeten alle rauwe informatie bewaren | nn - 10.12.2010 19:43
We moeten zoveel mogelijk rauwe informatie bewaren voordat het weer weggehaald wordt.
Dat de massamedia dit compleet mist!!! Dit laat wel de blinde vlek zien van de massamedia!
| | Overtrokken reactie | nn - 11.12.2010 12:34
Het probleem met wikileaks is gewoon dat ze nog in een leerproces zitten, lijkt me onterecht om dat censuur te noemen.
In het begin hebben ze te grote hoeveelheden documenten ineens gereleased waardoor er fouten zijn gemaakt met het anonimiseren. Dit zijn ze aan het herstellen, wat alleen maar te prijzen is dunkt me.
Daarnaast publiceren ze nu kleinere hoeveelheden tegelijk, ze leren er dus ook van.
| | Zeker niet overtrokken!! | beri - 11.12.2010 15:18
Dit is zeker niet overtrokken en daarintegen is dit erg ameteuristisch van wikileaks die na een jarenlange voorbereiding zulke cruciale fouten maakt. Wikileaks geeft hier de V.S. een belangrijke troefkaart in handen voor een eventuele veroordeling van Julian Assange namelijk dat er wel degelijk mensen in gevaar zijn gebracht. De eerder ongecensureerde uitgebrachte informatie circuleert immers op internet.
| | Fode Camara | nn - 12.12.2010 10:35
Fode Camara is dus een voetballer die een dubieuze dubbelrol speelt. Hij is zijn carriere begonnen in Belgie.
Camara began his professional career in Belgium with Sint-Niklase. He played for several other Belgian clubs, including Waregem and Kortrijk. He scored a goal for Kortrijk as they achieved their biggest margin of victory over his-former club Waregem on 25 January 1998.[1]
Camara made several appearances for the Guinea national football team, including appearances at the 1994[2] and 1998 African Cup of Nations finals.[3] He played for Guinea at the 1989 FIFA U-16 World Championship.[4]
http://www.national-football-teams.com/v2/player.php?id=25694
| | Wikileaks door CIA opgezet | Tijdsgeest - 12.12.2010 15:14
Banden met Soros en de geschiedenis van Assange en wikileaks zijn op zijn zachts gezegd dubieus. Door als regering zelf 'kritische' bewegingen op te zetten (die er anders toch wel komen) blijf je als regering dissidente bewegingen onder controle houden, is het idee en word al deccenia toegepast in voornamelijk kapitalistische landen. Vele medewerkers van dergelijke organisaties zijn zich niet eens bewust van dit manipulatieve spelletje. Vandaar ook dat ook wikileaks hierarchisch/ gecentraliseerd opgezet werd met een board of directors.
Daarnaast lijken de uitgekomen documenten de agenda te steunen voor een invasie in Pakistan, (wat met de nieuwe anti amerikaanse regering, kwaad bloed zet). Gezien de aanvallen op visa, paypal etc, lijkt het erop dat binnenkort goedgepraat kan gaan worden dat er internetfilters gaan worden geinstalleerd (iets wat al in Australie is goedgekeurd via de senaat).
Een typisch voorbeeld (weer) van problem - reaction - solution (creeer een probleem, lok een reactie uit bij het publiek, en biedt de (geplande) oplossing aan). Tot slot doet Assange, de inmiddels zeer grote 9/11 truth beweging (waarin nu ook generaal stubblebine staatsbetrokkenheid bekend bij de 9/11 aanvallen), af als: "annoying people", en zijn er ook tussen alle duizenden documenten geen documenten naar voren gekomen via wikileaks waarin de betrokkenheid van de staat bij de 9/11 aanvallen. Sterker de officiele theorie van de 19 terroristen word bekrachtigt). Immers aangezien het een CIA organisatie is kan er naar buiten gebracht worden wat de status quo geriefd. Dingen die veelal al bekend waren zoals de gruweldaden van soldaten in Irak. Gezien de algehele ongeloofwaardigheid van de staat vanwege alle schandalen de laatste jaren lijkt het creeeren van een zogenaamd antioverheids 'aktiefront' niet zo onlogisch om zo via een dit kanaal geloofwaardigheid te creeeren en een logische stap om de agenda tot internetcensuur te kunnen goedpraten (immers anders loopt uw geld gevaar toch als we nu niet ingrijpen).
Een typisch voorbeeld dus van de problem - reaction - solution aanpak vanuit overheden.
De Regelmatig geinterviewde gast Webster Tarpley (RT oa) legt het dubieuze van wikileaks en Assange uitgebreid uit in dit interview:
Aard wikileaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0sK4TjcUd4
U.S. majoor generaal bekentennis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E
| | Interne strijd wikileaks oorzaak 'censuur'. | nn - 13.12.2010 00:15
Nu is het wel duidelijk waarom er documenten zijn weggehaald na publicatie op wikileaks en daarna teruggezet met het weghalen van bepaalde bronnen.
Het is nu bekend dat er een interne strijd aan de gang is binnen wikileaks.
Een aantal activisten heeft onthullingssite WikiLeaks verlaten uit onvrede over de behandeling van bronnen en het gebrek aan transparantie in relatie met grote sommen geld. Dat berichtte de Britse krant The Sunday Times zondag.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/3884/WikiLeaks/article/detail/1071786/2010/12/12/Activisten-verlaten-WikiLeaks-uit-onvrede.dhtml
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